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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 07:15:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 01/06/2004 08:07:10
7. The reason for the Evolution war was Phoenix Alliance unilaterally ending Evo access rights to Venal that had been promised in perpetuity by the NVA leaders. Documents to this effect were signed by all old NVA corporations including your own Bobby Wilson. Since you are not prepared to uphold the documents and oaths you signed why should anyone believe a word you say?
8. Spouting Freespace rhetoric you say? You mean we are defending the principles of the NAST agreement that you signed and refused to honour by sanctioning a rogue PA corp that broke NAST on many occasions by attempting to hire mercenaries to target neutrals, who ôtolledö neutrals, who continually harassed neutral miners and who have stated plainly on several occasions their full intention to use the Tribute/NAST agreement as a cover for the expansion of the PA to compass the acquisition of the capturable stations there for the ôgloryö of the PA.
9. PA and ex pirates? Bobby Wilson you are such a fool. CDI hired Havocide a man who has on many occasions spoken only of his hate for the PA and everything you stand for. The only possible reason for this was to spark the war that has come. Halseth Durn states as much in the thread on this very forum. I notice you conveniently ignore all the words of your old CEO on the subject.
10. Re your failure to respond to this critique of your position statement. The eve public must judge the reason why you will not respond. I suspect most informed commentators will correctly assume that it is because you cannot respond. No evidence exists to support your interpretation of events and you have directly contradicted the outstanding, public, documentary evidence of these matters in your statement. I donÆt have to make convincing rhetoric Bobby Wilson, all I have to do is point people at the words of eye witnesses, your own leaders, past statements and past agreements and the indisputable conduct of CDI corporation and the PA.
11. Bury you head in the sand and say ôla la la I canÆt hear youö all you like, but the advantage of this forum over the private PA administered flame pit is that neutral moderation and public opinion will decide who is right and who is wrong. And your desire to move discussion from this open forum to the closed and non-PA hostile environment of the PA forums is indicative of your desire to avoid the consequences of your actions and ignore the huge weight of evidence against your alliance already extent on these forums. You clearly lack the courage to have the discussions here, but Eve is not a game to be played on your terms alone. Since you feel the need to peddle your lies and falsehoods in public then it is here you will need to support them and present the evidence to your words or be revealed a conniving politician who will say literally anything about anyone to save your rotten neck.
12. Fight by all means Bobby Wilson. But though you croak out the words to doomsday and beyond, you will never make the argument that the PA is fighting a just cause because you are fighting for a lie. I refer you last to the words of your ex CEO who was present in negotiations where you were not:
"To the PA; When I retracted my motion to remove CDI from the PA, it was in exchange for CDIs agreement to my terms of sanction. That is how I kept this war from happening 2 weeks ago. If CDI have broken those terms, then the motion for immediate removal needs to procede within the council WITHOUT delay. Halseth isn't around to handle all the conflict and confrontation any more. It is time for someone in the PA council to grow some gonads and embrace the art of confrontation." - Halseth Durn.
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Here is the thing Bobby Wilson and its a question you cannot answer because there is no good answer. How does your excuse of the RKK attack for not keeping your word stand with us?
Jericho Fraction was also promised that PA would kick CDI on a ceasefire breach. We didn't go to war with you immediately on solid proof of the breach. We presented evidence of the ceasefire breach to Robeyone and made two public declarations (on eve-online) and on the PA forums. We gave you 24 hours to keep your word on the CDI ejection. No negotiation was attempted from the PA and I was told (and I quote) "eat s-hit and die" on your official forums.
In short we followed every procedure and we got nothing but disrespect from the PA.
Go figure why you have so many friends.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 07:15:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 01/06/2004 07:25:23
This position statement explains eloquently why Phoenix Alliance ordinary membership doesnÆt have a clue what is going on and why. The deceitful politicians of the PA (of which Bobby is definitely one) have twisted all understanding of this situation and painted themselves white with a very uneven and haphazard covering of paint:
1. Phoenix Alliance is not a healthy democracy. Some corporations wield inordinate power by being split into many subcorps. Some corporations wield power because they own the allegiance of many other bought and paid for mercenaries. Part of the reason that CDI corp could not be removed is that they pay for the ships of allies and bribe their ôalliesö with money and isk. This latest incident is all about leaders of the PA misrepresenting what the council could and could not do. Promises have been made that have not been kept.
2. The PA forum is a flame pit. Having tried posting there and being immediately drowned out by personal attacks and vile insults many have resolved never to do so again. Why should people subject themselves to flame and personal attack in an unmoderated forum? (or at least not moderated by neutrals). The PA have a power trip about making people jump through hoops. The continuing whining and whining about X and Y ônot being in compliance withö Z directive makes me believe you are an appalling bureaucratic cult or something. What is wrong with simply accepting valid evidence?
3. CDI issue is cut and dried, you can claim black is white until you are blue in the face but the facts are: PA made a commitment to boot CDI on CDI ceasefire breach. Ceasefire breach occurred PA broke its word. War resumed.
4. Your statement that RRK fired the first shots is a laughable lie. This war begin more than a month ago when CDI initially went rogue and made a land grab in Tribute leading ultimately to this crisis. Only the intervention of your leaders in promising to bind CDI to ceasefire brought about a ôceasefireö. Ceasefire terms were broken à war resumed. Make no mistake PA have grievously betrayed RKK as they have betrayed Jericho Fraction and Evolution corporation in times before. Those who know Galavet and DB Preacher know well the worth of their honour and do not need to be prompted to consider it a thing of greater moment than the lies of Bobby Wilson the self-appointed PA minister for propaganda and historical revisionism.
5. Jericho Fraction was a founder member of the NVA responsible for hiring many of the current PA corporations and overseeing the oaths of joining and membership and adherence to the NVA constitution. Hence we were in a prime position to know exactly what was promised, by whom, and to whom. The ôgrudgeö against CDI stems from the now (fully proven) incident when CDI and OCC corporations abused OOC administrator rights at the old NVA forum we hosted to spy on the private communications of hosted corporate boards. Bobby Wilson knows this and willingly misrepresents it. The final flashpoint that led to Jericho Fraction being backstabbed and illegally (without a vote) ejected from the NVA was our disgust at a proposal circulated by Oberon corporation (that was leaked to eve guardian) advocating full political union with the Foresaken Empire. Yes ladies and gentlemen the self-righteous ôpro-freespaceö anti pirate PA was founded on a desire to become one with the ex Biomass corp Forsaken Empire. Jericho Fraction discovered this dishonourable aspiration and protested in the strongest terms. FE insisted that a prerequisite for political union was JF being ejected. JF was stabbed and ejected. These are the facts of this case, its all a matter for public record, strewn over the forums at the time and known well by everyone involved. This is why every honourable corporation of the ex NVA subsequently left the PA.
6. Desperately whining once more Bobby Wilson cites the EV position incorrectly and with no understanding of the situation once more tells falsehoods to the Eve population. EV having of course entirely dropped those aspects of their new alliance claim that were in contradiction to the NAST freespace terms before they joined Jericho Fraction and Reikoku in battle for the true freedom of the north. People who actually know what is going on in space have noted the removal of the cans and territorial markers days ago. How is it that you Bobby Wilson donÆt know this? (and yet CDI know it full well because they raised it with me while trying to negotiate a separate peace for their corporation). Were you intentionally lying again to the Eve Public Bobby Wilson?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 08:08:00 -
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Judicator I just want to say, top respect to you for this weekend. It has been a hell of ride, but its an honour to be on your side in this.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 10:20:00 -
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 Originally by: DidIDoThat
why does jericho fraction have a +10 standing with moo?
Two reasons:
1) While Phoenix Alliance had a dishonourable NAP with the Forsaken Empire. We were fighting it. So was Moo corp and Evolution.
2) While Phoenix Alliance had a dishonourable NAP with Curse Alliance. We were fighting it. So was Moo corp and Evolution.
+10 standings are there for mostly one reason. To prevent mistakes in 0.0 space combat targetting. It is neccessary to have a +10/-10 distinction between friend and foe in theatre.
Jericho Pilots have been warned by Moo corp that only in Curse will these standings be respected and we are as likely to be attacked as anyone else in other regions. (As in fact happened in Deklein last week). We don't have a problem with this and are entirely happy to treat relations on a regional basis where it is tactically appropriate.
So.
While FE are gone from Eve CA remains, and while Jericho Fraction is not (understandably) currently fighting in the south we do envisage circumstances where we once again have a common enemy in the CA.
I trust this answers the question clearly and fully.
Now lets see if the Phoenix Alliance can return the favour and answer my question about why they ignored the Jericho Fraction formal report of CDI ceasefire breach and appropriate request for CDI ejection from the PA.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Eve II
I do feel very sorry for those following Jade. She has brought nothing but failure to Eve.
eveII's player has no courage.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 12:19:00 -
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and the other half of the story? 
Bobby Wilson has already posted his bedtime story for the PA. Check the top of this thread.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 13:39:00 -
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You were presented with full evidence. I presented to the CEO of RONA corp then followed up with a posting on your much vaunted internal forums giving you 24 hours to keep your promise. Don't tell lies Phoenix Allaince, its painfully obvious you can't keep your story straight.
The posts are there. We gave you due warning and spoke to the most senior official of your largest corporation.
You made no attempt to keep your word and the "eat s-hit and die" was the typical response from the PA.
All this smear and misdirection about our motives entirely misses the point. We were given a promise. We held you to it. You lied and failed to keep your word.
End of story.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 13:42:00 -
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Maud, whilst i believe your sincerity, Jades underlying motivation is clear to anyone watching, and postings on your (JFs) internal forums don't quite match up to what you are saying here.
Still spying on people's private forums KIAEddz?
Well cough up ... lets see the evidence.
Unless you want everyone to know you are full of hot air and bile.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 14:10:00 -
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Does anybody else find it absolutely sinister how totally Bobby Wilson refuses to listen to anybody else on any subject, clarification, blatent fact, or piece of supporting evidence?
He knows that his opening statement was total claptrap. He knows that Jericho Fraction made a posting with the request for the CDI expulsion with a 24 hour deadline on their internal forums. He knows full well that he is manifestly deceiving his own alliance and everyone else in this forum with his crazy half-baked revisionist tirade and then he simply ignores any argument he cannot deal with.
He dismisses the Halseth posting. He dismisses the Robeyone posting. He ignores the fact that there is PUBLIC EVIDENCE ON THIS FORUM of a reporting of the ceasefire breach from Tbone of the Fade Union dating from days before the RKK resumption of hostilities and once more tries to foist an alternative historical fable he dreamed up and scribbled on the back of a matchbox.
He reminds me of a brain-washed cult member or something. Is there really any intelligence or glimmer of independent thought in there whatsoever? Hypnosis? Orbital mind-control lasers? You decide ladies and gentlemen of the gallery.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 14:18:00 -
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I notice you ducked my challenge to prove your accusation Eddz?
Cough up. If you are reading our forums you will be reading some very interesting things. Lets see how your alliance mates like some of the things CDI have to say off the record.
But I suspect you are just smearing wildly as usual.
All mouth / no trousers.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 14:20:00 -
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"...Jades motivations are opaque to us now." -KIAEddz
Priceless!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 15:05:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 01/06/2004 15:09:23
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Jade. Whilst I may be many things, I am no liar. I honestly didnt see your original "challenge".
All in good time.
I am interested because we have actually been here before. Like when CDI got the OCC forum admin of the NVA forums to abuse his admin rights to look into our member board and then literally produced a whole of lot of rubbish because he couldn't find anything incriminating.
Well guess what? There is nothing discussed on our internal forums that has not been presented to the various leaders in question.
Did Jericho prepare contingency plans against the PA?
Hell yes. Why did we do that?
1. You napped the CA (who we were fighting at the time) and most northern corps were in agreement that you couldn't be allowed to do that.
2. You would not punish CDI for their acts of aggression against RKK and other northern allies. It was clear that while this situation persisted there was a possibilty of fullscale war in the north sparked by this.
There is literally nothing in our internal forums I am ashamed of. Nothing. Post and be damned.
Riddari is quite correct, all that can be seen in context is Jericho struggling to maintain peace in the north against the base provocation of CDI.
For the record I would be quite happy to show our allies the contents of our Communications and Diplomacy forums if such is neccessary to confront PA slander.
The only note of caution I will add to Eddz (if he does indeed have a corp spy in Jericho or has found another way to hack into the forum ... which isn't likely to be hard given the fairly lamentable bulletin board encryption)
Do feel free to disclose material pertaining to the game, to chat logs, to game entities, discussions, tactics, whatever and whatever. This is all fair in Eve warfare and we certainly expected a dirty war from you and this will not come as a surprise.
But if you disclose out of game material such as email addresses, msn contact details, real names and ooc information I will petition you for harrassment immediately on grounds of breach of privacy.
I hope everyone agrees this is a fair and valid position to take?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 15:47:00 -
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We do idd have a corp spy, at the highest level within JF. We have internal memos, copies of many threads from the JF private forums, private chat logs etc etc. Its a lot to read, as Jades verbal diarrhoea isnt kept to only this board ;) ;).
Now you see, to my mind this puts you in quite a difficult situation. Because if you have accessed our private chatlog respository you know one or too things about Oberon, about RONA and about CDI that nobody else currently does. Now I gave my word that those chatlogs would not be published on eve-online forums by me. (else it would have made extreme tactical sense to do that). But if you have seen those then you know what CDI was planning, you know what Halseth considered the NAST was. You know how and why this situation developed.
My hands have been tied by the non-disclosure agreements that I gave, but you (if you have a spy) could just release that stuff anytime you choose.
For example: the latest CDI chatlog. I can't and won't make any specific comment about it. But having reviewed that information I am not sure how you can look yourself in the mirror and say nothing to your alliance mates? Seriously EddZ, I couldn't run a ruse like that and sell my friends down the river in a brutal war. If you can then you are a stone cold guy I give you that. I just couldn't face living a lie like that.
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Am I going to post any of it on here? I dont know, probably not yet, not till we can confirm it isnt a lie or a ruse by JF, we dont wanna look silly hehe.
Its no ruse, I promise you that, if you have intel from our forums from a Jericho spy (or forum hack) then its the real deal. Those chat logs are genuine and dynamite. If you want to reveal those then you change the whole nature of the war overnight. I can't reveal them because I gave my word. You aren't so bound.
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But I have no problem what sooever showing you the goods so you know that I am not lying Jade.
I can't msn you now (at work) but I will send you an email. I am quite facinated.
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To be labelled a snake is all you can hope for as far as I am concerned Jade, you wanted this war, you have waited and waited for the opportunity to monger it. And jumped at the chance.
I am confident the chatlogs will show otherwise Eddz, what can I say, I am not worried.
(I will take the opportunity at this point to share the disclaimer I made to the PA people I have been talking with. Basically I agreed not to publish this material on eve-online boards on the condition that the contents of those logs are never misrepresented or quoted out of context in a public forum. If you post them Eddz you must post them whole and unedited or I will be in my rights to publish the accurate logs in rebuttle.
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RKK, your agenda is the removal of CDI, you couldnt wait for them to "muck up" again, and used even that tiny transgression to reason your firing upon the PA.
No secret there. CDI infuriated RKK so many times it was amazing that RKK had the patience they did. We all wanted CDI booted from PA to make the NAST work. (Check the "K" chatlog for proof of your alliance actions).
Actually this is quite amusing EddZ, its at times like this I am absolutely proud of myself for not descending to the snakery prevalent in the PA. It gives me a lovely warm glow that your spy knows full well how hard we have tried to make peace work in the north.
But it must suck to be you EddZ, you have to sit on this stuff and lie to your alliance for the next month while they lose ships to somebody elses design and plotting. (not mine, not yours.)
Good lord, what a revelation ;)
This game is full of surprises!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Darken Two
May I also point out that Reassor got slammed on the other thread for posting a private convo. Come on Darth Solo jump in here and tell Alexandra how uncool she is.
The rules were changed by EddZ dangling the Jericho forum spy over our heads. Since he is hinting at dark secrets and intrigues and claims to have infiltrated our corp it will be increasingly impossible to keep this stuff quiet.
If there is a forum spy EddZ knows that absolutely everything Bobby Wilson has said in this thread is a total bare faced lie (as we already knew)
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
Nice try Jade. But your gonna have to do better than that.
We will speak tonight.
I'm quite serious EddZ and if you have access you know *exactly* what I am talking about.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Alexandra Belani
If you do indeed have a spy within JF, then all he or she can confirm is that we are honourable and truthful.
I speak with integrity - always. And any of my words that were posted on that forum, I would gladly post here publicly. Whoever your little "spy" is has absolutely no purpose except to say that you were placing people within our organization long before this war. This indicates to me that you planned the war all along.
Love and Freedom
Alexandra
In all likelihood, I very much doubt they have a spy for the simple reason that the people in Jericho Fraction have ethics whereas PA have none. That said, I am inclined to believe that they do have access to our forum because its standard CDI tactics to snoop on friends and enemies alike and a standard bulletin board does have absolutely rubbish encrypion.
My bet is that a CDI/PA/ guy has just used a standard forum hack to look at the text files for our forum source and has told Eddz he has an "inside man" to make himself look big. These things happen, lucky we have said nothing embarrassing and have been as principled in private as we are in public.
They did the same when we were in the NVA. CDI claimed that a "Jericho spy" was passing on information to CDI and friends when it was actuallly we trusted with an admin password using out of game powers to betray the trust we placed in him.
Standard paranoia-inducement tactics to try and put the scare on the enemy.
Still what I expect we will find is edited chatlogs to portray us in the worst light and even when we produce the real deal it will be hailed a "no smoke without fire" thing by the PA howlers gallery.
It is unfortunately the way smear and negative spin campaigns go, but nobody can claim to be surprised by this.
When it became clear that we would have to go to war against the PA it was obvious that this would be amongst the the dirtiest political campaign yet seen in Eve, and some people in the PA (including Eddz if he has seen the correct chatlog) know exactly why.
This will get worse before it gets better.
Phoenix alliance is absolutely terrified of losing and will do *anything* to stay alive and protect its cash cow (oops did I say cash) I meant isk-cow of course.
/sarcasm.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
Alex/Jade
We have a Director in JF, this person has only 1 agenda, to see Jade dismissed from JF.
This person turned after the war started, in fact just yesterday. Why they come to me? Don't know, don't overly care. Once I can confirm validity of the info, I will act on it.
Are you really that desperate EddZ?
I mean seriously.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 17:03:00 -
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Since I don't approve of scammers EddZ let me help you out a bit:
Here is the list of Jericho Directors:
Alexandra Belani
Athule Snanm (taking a break)
Darantil
Faithless
Iece Quaan
Jasmine Constantine
Maud Dib
Rizmordan
Shintoko
Siphol
Yvonne Pyros
And a better group of honourable and decent players I could not be more priviledged to know. I will tell you now that if one of these people turns out to be a turncoat I will quit the game.
That will be the price for my lack of vision.
And thats how sure I am about my team.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 17:11:00 -
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Bobby is an appalling whiny little kid Alex, he was in the NVA, and always has been. If you read back on the forums you will see that he has already quit the game once himself in a hissy fit because he couldn't handle the pressure of in-game diplomacy.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 17:18:00 -
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You cannot add anything positive or debate any salient fact Bobby so you descend to spamming your own thread with chunks of your own text in the hope that you will get it locked?
Are you actually out of school yet?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 17:25:00 -
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(prompt for those that haven't read Bobby Wilson's "how to lose friends and manipulate people 101")
--- this is the part where paranoid and deluded to the point of madness by the fear of imminent betrayal I remove the director rights from all my trusted officers and friends and turn into a garrett-dwelling lunatic taking my meals under the door and sleeping with a gun under the pillow.
/HTLFAMP101
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 17:57:00 -
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Robeyone you have broken our previously extent rules of conduct by posting incomplete segments of chatlogs. I am responding by moving the chatlogs in question into the public section of the Jericho site so everyone interested can judge from the full unedited material.
Halseth you played for sympathy and come back to reverse your position and stick the knife in. Last autumn I had a loss in the family as well and was out of work for a while. I said precisely nothing about it in this public forum during the worst moments of the PA hate campaign against me. Your conduct is - pathetic to say the least.
Obviously Robeyone and Halseth are playing the "lie about the chatlogs" card again as the PA did in league with CDI in the autumn.
I told you it was going to be a dirty campaign everyone.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 18:13:00 -
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The entirety of both threads are now viewable on the Jericho Public announcement forums where anyone interested will be able to see Jericho Fraction attempting to convince PA to widen the NAST treaty to include friendly corps and asserting our commitment to alliance with Reikoku. There is a robust and open discussion between Jericho Directors.
One of the chatlogs concerns the Oberon/CDI gank fleet killing of RKK ships after PA landgrabbed the D7 station. You will be able to judge the apparent dishonesty of both Kronarty and Robeyone from that discussion.
As I said before, Jericho Fraction has absolutely nothing to fear from these disclosures as we have maintained exactly the same private agenda as we have expressed in public. As Robeyone and the PA smear mongers release more spy information in edited snippets we will declassify the whole chatlogs and threads to provide and accurate and complete version of events.
It is a shame it comes to this, but dishonour and lying is a road that once walked is not easy to turn back from.
Robeyone has obviously decided that having lied once about the CDI ejection he has nothing further to lose by donning the full colours of the snake.
Halseth by using a personal tragedy to incite sympathy for PA political manouver has truly scraped the bottom of the barrel as far as I am concerned. I truly wish your family well Halseth, but they deserve better than to be used as pawns by you in a computer game flamewar.
Link to Jericho Forum (you will need to register a basic account
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 18:31:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 01/06/2004 18:49:13
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Jade the screen are PROOF
I have way more then 3 of these things!
Did you even read my post... In case you didn't I said I would not be posting the logs but just the proof that we had access.
I don't think you are listening to me Robeyone. You can publish absolutely *everything* we have. I am totally confident that we acted with honour and did the right thing. Your spy (or forum hack) or whatever. Is simply embarrassing you.
All these disclosures demonstrate is that RONA Corp is utterly scared stiff of Jericho Fraction and the northern allies and you will do absolutely *anything* to preserve your isk (selling) empire.
I am entirely happy to declassify all logs.
Lets throw the dice and see what comes up ... are you a gambling man? Lets see who comes out of this with credibilty?
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Posted - 2004.06.01 18:39:00 -
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Sorry Halseth but you have lost all credibility with me. You should *never* have mixed your personal circumstances with in-game politics. You left, you used the out of game issues to get a kind goodbye from me and now you are back to support another espionage and dirty war campaign. It doesn't wash. I believe you are pretty low.
Have a nice life by all means but don't expect anything but distant derision from me.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Gafton
signed up as gafton to your forums jade. In interest of your "nothing to hide" piece, grant me full access to your forums.
The whole history of the PA/CDI/NAST/RKK saga from the jericho sage is now in the public announcements section.
Since you have spy access through Robeyone you already full oversight Gafton.
I encourage anyone who really wants the dirt and nitty gritty to come and read this history of diplomacy, negotiation and betrayal.
I believe it shows we have been straight down the middle with our intentions from day one.
1. We wanted a northern meta alliance and all powers in the north to unite against CA.
2. We wanted a freespace pact in PB, Tribute and Vale.
3. We opposed the PA NAP with CA and would have supported the northern powers fighting PA if this had happened.
4. We supported RKK in against the clear territorial intentions CDI had to take Tribute. We wanted CDI slapped and controlled by PA.
5. We stated from the very first discussions with PA that if RKK was harmed we would be on their side.
This is all straight down the middle stuff. Totally transparent.
I suspect there is not another corporation or alliance in the game that will allow this level of access with this degree of confidence.
Certainly not OCC eh Gafton?
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Posted - 2004.06.01 19:06:00 -
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Wow, can you pull anything else out of your hat. Listen to yourself!
Its your hat robeyone ... I wonder if its a magic one?
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You make these totally random statements with absolutely no backing.
Read the declassified chalogs ... surely your spy has showed them to you?
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Where did we show our fear, and where is the proof of this so called empire. It surely isnÆt in our losses, or the fleet that I have romping around in YOUR space right now.
Your fear is in your descent into the dirtiest political smear campaign since Ctaesis of TTI. You are terrified and you are shedding the scraps of your self respect with every desperate lie and evasion and broken promise.
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Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.
Somehow I don't think that is true.
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Fortunately, for me and my allies we carry very big sticks, and they seem to be hitting you pretty hard as of late. Don't play forum games Jade, pay attention to your fleets, and worry about replacing your ships.
Why so eager big man. This is a long war. Lets pace ourselves ... I suspect we will be fighting this in 3 months time.
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You are a testament to words, unfortunately your bite is 10 time smaller then your bark.
Which is obviously why you have turned the key on the dirty campaign today.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 22:16:00 -
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Answer my question (which was asked first) Serak, and perhaps yours might be answered.
(to clarify) At no stage was it a requirement of the ceasefire terms that only Reikoku had a right to report the breach. Any one of the corps that received the PA promise could do this. FU (Revol) did this in public in the thread you well know about. And Jericho did this on this forum, on the PA forum, and in direct conversation with Robeyone. We then gave you 24 hours to investigate and eject CDI. May formal answer was:
"Eat Sh1t and die" [from the PA]
Why was this?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: KIAInkZ
lol. That's ok then if we didn't specify that RKK had to notify us of any breach before attacking innocent corporations.
Silly PA, won't make that mistake again, tut tut.
Your reasons for war get weaker by the hour.
Don't be dense. I am talking about our reason. Jericho Fraction declared war on you because you failed to eject CDI after we reported the ceasefire breach.
Why was that?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.02 00:17:00 -
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Incidently, I'm looking at the screen shots and logs from your website, including planning of this war as early as the tenth of May. Continue to play the innocents. I'm curious to see what Robey leaks next.
A war vs PA was certainly planned since it appeared you were intent on becoming a PA protectorate. All the declassified logs on the Jericho site show this clearly.
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Incidently, Jade promised to quit the game when it turns out one or more of her directors is against her. I'm curious to see if she'll keep her word, as it looks like rather a few people are unimpressed and that will only get worse as more of Jade's conniving becomes public.
Thus far I have seen no proof that you haven't simply hacked the forum. You guys are certainly good at that. You will have to do much better to spread paranoia.
Still the outcome of the failed RONA/OBERON hacking blackmail plot is that Jericho Fraction has declassified all diplomacy and communications discussions and you may see them for yourself in the original undoctored form by visiting our forums.
RONA/OBERON has raised the stakes in this to include espionage and spying and all sorts of dirty tricks. Let us see if they can handle the truth being fully known now our hands are no longer tied.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.02 01:11:00 -
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Okay mystery of the Jericho "spy" has been solved.
Bobby Wilson
KIA Eddz
Robeyone
Halseth Durn
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Bare faced liars once again.
Here is what happened:
An ex-member of Jericho gave his password details to a friend in RONA some weeks ago to show the guy an article on our members forum. This was not done maliciously or with intent to harm Jericho Fraction and the chap has just let us know (on seeing the forum flame war) that this was an innocent mistake (he was not to know the hideous smear campaign that Robeyone was about to authorise).
The second mistake which made this possible was mine. I forgot to change our ex members default rights from member to non-member ... doh! (needless to say I will be paying more attention in future).
So thats it.
No revolting directors, no ethical opponents, no Alex and Jade haters. No nothing apart from the CEO of RONA corp using one of his member's friendships with an ex Jericho member to post a lot of lies about Jericho internal strife on the forum.
Take a good look back at what these PA people have claimed here today. Its quite special.
Caught red-handed in lies and slander.
Thank you very much Robeyone ... you have made my day.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.02 01:30:00 -
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Would like like to hear what 4 snakes sound like?
Snake One (KIAEddz) "Alex/Jade We have a Director in JF, this person has only 1 agenda, to see Jade dismissed from JF. This person turned after the war started, in fact just yesterday. Why they come to me? Don't know, don't overly care. Once I can confirm validity of the info, I will act on it."
Snake Two (Robeyone) "I do this for one reason and one reason only, and that is to prove that EddZ is in fact telling the truth.Here are screenshots taken of your forums yesterday."
Snake Three (Bobby Wilson) "Incidently, Jade promised to quit the game when it turns out one or more of her directors is against her. I'm curious to see if she'll keep her word, as it looks like rather a few people are unimpressed and that will only get worse as more of Jade's conniving becomes public."
Snake Four (Halseth Durn) "Jade, your forum has not been compromised by a spy. Your political, scheeming, outright twisting of the truth, and re-writing of history to suit your political agenda has finaly sickened one of your most trusted advisors. This person has become so disgusted with Jade and Alex's "2 faced manipulation" (their quote) that they are now e-mailing myself (and obviously others) with relevant data from your forums and ingame conversations."
We aren't wrong Robeyone and irony of irony its confirmed from within your own organisation. Seems you have a few people more than a little disgusted with current RONA smack talk and politics also.
Imagine my surprise.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.02 01:51:00 -
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And you can't even keep your story straight from one post to the next. You posted on this thread swearing that Eddz was telling the truth. Did you even read what he had claimed first you silly man?
Captain Nemo? lol. I will name my next Typhoon the "Nautilus" just for you.
Robeyone you are turning into a joke.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.02 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight
Wowzers, I hope you all actually enjoy this nonsense on the forums. Everyone involved's picked a side, both sides think the other is wrong, the guns have come out and the fight's begun.
Let's just fight until we get bored shall we, all this drama is making my head hurt.
You know what Blacklight, your right! Its making my head heard as well. It was kinda fun at first but all this spy stuff has just got too "walty mitty" for me I'm afraid.
Sure Robeyone! You win! You have infiltrated JF at the highest levels and you are the single most powerful man in Eve. Your fleets are unbeatable and your vision is broad and manifest. Oh Woe! Oh Woe! Is me. How could I have been so foolish as to go up against a veritable GOD?
(insert pleading beg for mercy here)
Did make you feel better Robeyone?
No,
Ah well, lets fight to the death asshat.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.02 02:51:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 02/06/2004 02:55:59
Originally by: Robeyone
Edited by: Robeyone on 02/06/2004 02:26:44
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Ah well, lets fight to the death asshat.
Charming, absolutely charming, I supposed you kiss your mother with that mouth.
Don't get all prissy on me Robeyone, and I meant it quite literally. I have heard you rattling on all today about all the people who will be flying off to war and risking their health and wealth on my account. So, lets say the same about you and consider that you also carry the burden of responsibility for the promises you have broken and the course you have dictated.
Lets have a space ship fight. You have brought smack and disrespect to me all day on these forums and accused me of manipulating others to my own benefit. Lets make it personal, lets you and I fight to the death in game. No alts, no secret identities, no champions, no excuse. Any ships, any loadout, no rules apart from this: we both warp to a planet at a prearranged time (15-60 warp in) and the one to run or die loses.
Simple.
How does that sound monsieur RONA CEO?
Can you remember what a captain's chair feels like?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.02 03:03:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 02/06/2004 03:06:04
Originally by: Robeyone
Robeyone has no weapon skills, but Azkaban my fighting account is trained for just such an occasion. If you would so permit me then I would of course accept your challenge. BS's Your Raven my Tempest one on one in EC-P8R. If that sounds like a good deal to you then fine I am up for it.
Robeyone has no weapon skills?
Then were do you get off insulting me on the forums ?
If Robeyone has no ability to fight you should be quiet and respectful and act with more humility.
And no, I am not interested in fighting an alt. I want the corpse of Robeyone not some ridiculous weapon alt. If I risk the corpse of Jade Constantine I want your stake to mean something.
If it so I give you a week to train some combat skills and I will meet you with frigates in EC.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.02 03:14:00 -
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Well Jade Constantine is my sole account and only character with skills and does everything I need to do Robeyone. So I imagine we will not get a fight of figureheads since you have a seem to have a faceless clone for each occasion.
But I must say knowing that your character Robeyone cannot fight under any circumstances does disappoint me.
Suspension of disbelief = gone.
Speaking personally I think a corporate CEO needs to be able to fight. To keep up appearances if nothing else.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.02 03:19:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 02/06/2004 03:21:20
Oh do shut up Bobby Wilson you blithering muppet.
I challenged the CEO of RONA corporation not a bloody alt.
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